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| sheri berri wrote: | | gosh i agree, you make a great point you should live your life and decide what it means to you..... |
That's what is lacking from "Victim or the Crime." This song's character is wholly overcome by drug addiction/religious compulsion and cannot see that there is always CHOICE in life. This character only sees that she/he is the victim of the religious dogma through which she/he was socialized or that she/he is the crime because he/she cannot see other choices. The song's narrator injects social commentary for listener/reader to gain context.
See "Maggie's Farm" by Bob Dylan... "I try my very best/to be just who I am/But everybody wants me/To be just like them..."
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i don't have a choice at this point. i'm only sixteen and went to that private christian school for the first ten years of my schooling. so i was brought up with that. those "morals" are just as engraved into my mind as tying my shoes or riding a bike. that's my problem. i would give so much to be able to let go of what i was told back then, but my mind refuses to let them go. i've tried, i promise. harder than you can imagine.
and the things they told us only added, worsened, or created nervous disorders. i go to a therapist who sees a lot of kids from that same school, and she says that it has really messed a lot of kids up. so i guess i'm one of the "survivors" and "rebels" that still battles those voices in the back of my head.
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| Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:03 pm |
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I understand your plight, Ash. I have had many students with similar histories as yours. All I can say, all anyone can say, truly is there will be time.
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| Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:33 pm |
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Rose,
You are stuck in a situation where you were told how to feel and react in many different situations and many of them are contrary to the "human norm." I've got a few years on you, but I assure you, this will not rule your life unless you let it. Sorry to sound like a self help tape, but your feelings are normal for your age regradless of your history, it just compounds it. You'll be fine if you can just keep going. This is easier said than done, but I assure you its worth it. Life is very fun if you can walk into a situation with no preconceived opinions... especially if the preconceptions weren't yours to begin with. 
Now I have a bone to pick. Speaking of Religion as a drug... I find this to be a defeatest or worse an arrogant way of looking at/down on religion. Although I admit it is used every day to control people "The opiate of the masses" and all that. People's race, gender, social class, nationality and hair color are used that way too... so what?
It is how people go about their religion that can be flawed, and not necessarily the religion itself. Most religions that are existant now, and especially the major religions, are pretty good about saying not to screw with other people. Unfortunately people decided that other's should live up to their standards, and then made those standards nearly impossible to achieve. I may not be the most religious person in the world, but what I believe fits me. I don't thrust it upon anyone else unless they put me in a situation that is contrary to what I hold dear. well, it seems to work for me at least. I could go on about extremism or whatever until I'm tired of typing. All faiths can be taken so far as to make your life choices not your own.
This is getting lengthy so I'll sum it up: you don't know me, but I'm trying to bring you some comfort. Take my advise as I mean it... whether you end up and Atheist, a Buddhist, or whatever make sure its who you are, cuz that is who you are living with and for. If you have something else to live for too, awesome, but never forget that you are responsible for you. |
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| Wed May 03, 2006 2:51 am |
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i'm not talking about religious teachings or ideals. i'm talking about brainwashing and manipulating young childrens' vulnerable minds.
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| Wed May 03, 2006 7:58 pm |
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That's what I was referring to, Ash. You spend half of your day in a construct not of your own making, that oppresses and opposes free-thinking (especially of the "new" and "different" kind), and immerses you in white-male dominated, Christian-traditional, Far Right Establishment ocean of idea manipulation and behavior "rectification."
You're whip smart, though. And, you'll find your own way through it all. |
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| Wed May 03, 2006 8:32 pm |
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Yes exactly Michael.
I like this place a lot. Its actually mellow with no trolls that I've seen as yet. Well, its only a matter of time I guess... |
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| Wed May 03, 2006 9:06 pm |
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| Malfeas wrote: | Yes exactly Michael.
I like this place a lot. Its actually mellow with no trolls that I've seen as yet. Well, its only a matter of time I guess... |
If I spot a troll i'll soon put an end to it...very fast LOL this is a troll free forum 
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| Wed May 03, 2006 9:25 pm |
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geri vs. troll
round one
*ding ding* LOL
:smt117
... i can see it now...
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| Thu May 04, 2006 2:39 am |
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| Rosey i agree with micheal you are so bright for your young years so much ,ore aware than we were or me at least and you will be fine and probably help many along the way,i truly thought you were older girl you are wise....((((hugs)))) Your our little berri we are all so proud of you |
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| Thu May 04, 2006 4:56 am |
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aw, thankyou sheri. that means a lot to me. it truly does.
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| Thu May 04, 2006 11:00 am |
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I think for some it is an addiction. It's a way to numb the pain of their lives. They get a kind of high from it. They keep going back for more. Some of them even have to go to church 3 times a week to get their fix. Yep, sounds like an addiction.
Rose--I was forced to go to a private school for the entirety of my schooling. I was 26 before I realized that I could choose to not believe what I was taught, and do so without dropping directly into the pit of hell. The good news for you is, you are WAY ahead of where I was when I was 16. It does take time, but you are definitely headed in the right direction to find your own truth. And, your own truth is what truly matters. |
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| Fri May 05, 2006 2:28 am |
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| Upbeat Cynic wrote: | I think for some it is an addiction. It's a way to numb the pain of their lives. They get a kind of high from it. They keep going back for more. Some of them even have to go to church 3 times a week to get their fix. Yep, sounds like an addiction.
Rose--I was forced to go to a private school for the entirety of my schooling. I was 26 before I realized that I could choose to not believe what I was taught, and do so without dropping directly into the pit of hell. The good news for you is, you are WAY ahead of where I was when I was 16. It does take time, but you are definitely headed in the right direction to find your own truth. And, your own truth is what truly matters. |
agh, you poor thing... luckily, i escaped the torture when i was 14. the problem with me is not only realizing it, but convincing my conscience and my brain that it is so. guilt overwhelms me when i do something that i do not consider to be wrong, but because i was told that it was wrong all my life, my conscience recognizes it as something wrong. does that make sense?
okay, just say that i had been told all my life that eating cake was wrong. my conscience would be trained to believe it was wrong. so, even though i think it is perfectly fine to eat cake, whenever i took a bite, i would feel guilty, because my conscience automatically kicks in.
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| Fri May 05, 2006 3:27 am |
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| rosey you were conditioned by your beleifs it does make sense and in time you will undo all the harm that they have caused you.... |
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| Fri May 05, 2006 8:00 pm |
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Sherri is right, Rose. It just takes time. I know that sounds cliche, but it's what works. The longer you're away from the 'conditioning', the clearer you'll be able to see things.
I know exactly what you mean about feeling guilty. I was taught SO many things were wrong. Dancing, movies, rock music, cussing, ...And now, I'm one dancin', movie-watchin', rock and roll listenin', cussin' like a sailor fool. :lool:
I discovered that a way to seperate myself from the guilt was to ask myself two questions when it came to making a decision about whether something was right or wrong. Does it hurt me? Does it hurt anyone else? If I could answer no to both of those things, then I was okay with doing whatever it was.
If it helps, you've definitely got me pulling for you! :huge:
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