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This is an open debate for the Smokers Vs the NonSmokers.
I would prefer any Guests posting in this debate to at least enter their name so we can keep track of post authorship.
Much legislation has come about recently regarding Anti-Smoking Laws. Are these legislations threatening our personal freedom or are they protecting others personal freedom? Should these rules be relaxed to ban smoking in restaurant areas and let non-food serving pubs allow smoking? Will these legislations affect trade?
Let the debate begin :smoke:
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personally, i would sooner have drinking banned than smoking. but smoking is a dangerous habit. there's really absolutely nothing good about it, as which is usually the case with any addiction. second-hand smoke is dangerous as well.
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| Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:31 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Smoking
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| Bebi wrote: | This is an open debate for the Smokers Vs the NonSmokers.
I would prefer any Guests posting in this debate to at least enter their name so we can keep track of post authorship.
Much legislation has come about recently regarding Anti-Smoking Laws. Are these legislations threatening our personal freedom or are they protecting others personal freedom? Should these rules be relaxed to ban smoking in restaurant areas and let non-food serving pubs allow smoking? Will these legislations affect trade?
Let the debate begin :smoke: |
Sounds good but its up to Bacca to make the decision...its her area
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| Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:10 pm |
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| Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:20 pm |
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Geri we can speak on behalf of bacca she being a smoker herself lol would be fine with this it looks like i might be the only one to take the opposing side.
there are over 200 additives in cigarettes many are caginogens which cause cancer why should i stand by why those fuckers get rich and possibly kill my friends off i don't think so.........Second hand smoke is more deadly than actually smoking yourself and is responsible for many deaths..... |
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| Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:04 am |
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| sheri berri wrote: | Geri we can speak on behalf of bacca she being a smoker herself lol would be fine with this it looks like i might be the only one to take the opposing side.
there are over 200 additives in cigarettes many are caginogens which cause cancer why should i stand by why those fuckers get rich and possibly kill my friends off i don't think so.........Second hand smoke is more deadly than actually smoking yourself and is responsible for many deaths..... |
Actually Sheri a good debater can take either side so if you like I can take the side of the non smokers...wanna see me in action?  see I can argue both sides..but if you like I will put forward a STRONG HARD case for the non smokers
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| Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:25 am |
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| Geri_Berri wrote: | | sheri berri wrote: | Geri we can speak on behalf of bacca she being a smoker herself lol would be fine with this it looks like i might be the only one to take the opposing side.
there are over 200 additives in cigarettes many are caginogens which cause cancer why should i stand by why those fuckers get rich and possibly kill my friends off i don't think so.........Second hand smoke is more deadly than actually smoking yourself and is responsible for many deaths..... |
Actually Sheri a good debater can take either side so if you like I can take the side of the non smokers...wanna see me in action? see I can argue both sides..but if you like I will put forward a STRONG HARD case for the non smokers |
i hadn't thought of that funny story when i had quit smoking ofr a few days i went tot he book store and read everything I could find on the damages of smoking so i wouldn't go back..It worked too lol ... |
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| Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:31 pm |
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smoking good  I don't smoke near my child and i don't smoke in non-smoking areas....so that's all good.....
but to completely take away the rights of millions to smoke at all to the point of firing employees for smoking outside of work is just plain wrong....
as for the posting with a name? i don't think it matters if you don't want to admit who you are or not....this is an online debate after all.....although since the original poster requested it for this debate i would say respect his wishes if possible.... |
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| Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:18 am |
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I used to smoke but gave up 17 yrs ago and i dont feel any better for it.
I dont mind if someone is smoking next to me .
We have a no smoking policy hear in scotland in public places, all i can say is this , when i walk into a pub now all i can smell is b/o and stinky feet , i would rather smell fag smoke to this any day. |
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| Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:35 am |
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Well for what it's worth, i prefer smoking to drinking... For one, let us imagine that it's in the middle of the night, and your driving while slightly tipsy... Someone crosses the road and we hit them because alcohol dulled our senses... It's harder to kill someone while smoking because they always see the glow.
Also, when you're at a sports game, and you see someone who is agressive and obnoxious, are they drunk or smoking?
Hmm...
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| Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:06 pm |
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| Yea, but when you are smoking you're ALWAYS killing someone by polluting the enviornment. I don't drink or smoke, but both are definitely bad. Smoking harms the enviornment, and if I'm close enough my lungs. I mean... just wait I'm not gonna smoke a day in my life and I'm gonna die of lung cancer because of 2nd hand smoke. |
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| Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:30 pm |
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| Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:31 pm |
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I'm a smoker..have smoked for X amout of years.. Also work in the health profession...I can tell you that I have seen a long term smokers lungs up close and personal..it's not a pretty sight...But you would think that would make me kick the habit...Well it didn't ....so my addition to this debate is to tell you all that once you start I think that it is more of a psycological thing than anything else....I have massive will power but I'm still unable to quit...I can wake up everyday and tell myself "yep this will be the day that I can do this" but then light a cigarette up without even thinking about it...Also just holding it between your fingers ...even if it's unlit can happen ...so the brain is just in control...not the will power...
I can tell you that if you are a non-smoker ..."STAY THAT WAY" your not missing anything...trust me...also I think that it is a good thing that smokers have a designated area to smoke...after all non-smokers have a choice not to want to inhale it...smokers choose to inhale it...don't put anyone's life or health in danger against their will...so you see it is a double edged sword....smokers are getting mad because we are being alienated from certain restaurants, pubs, etc,. but what about the person who chooses not to want to inhale cigarette smoke...???? They have a right to say it and have it enforced...then again...I'm not a criminal because I choose to smoke but will respect the wishes of the non- smoker...a lot of people will not do this ....they will complain that they are being treated like a criminal because they decided to inhale .....I guess I'll just join them in the cancer ward when the time comes...because that's where we "smokers" are headed....cross your fingers maybe by some miracle I can quit..... As I stated earlier...I'm a smoker...it use to be my choice but .....not anymore..it's a terrible addiction that hopefully I can eradicate....El Bandito
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| Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:30 pm |
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Great post EB, I admire your honesty. I too am a smoker and happen to share all of your opinions stated above, apart from maybe the giving up part. If I have guests visiting my home who don't smoke I ask them if they mind before lighting up. If they say they don't mind but it seems they do I'll take myself into another room anyway. I also regularly talk to my kids about the negative side of smoking. At the end of the day it's their decision, but I make sure they know the health effects and how much money it costs.
I agree with banning smoking in restaurants and cafes, I myself prefer to eat in a smoke free environment. However I do think that pubs and bars should have a separate allowed smoking area. There was one pub near my old home that seated the smoking section above the dining section, therefore the smoke rose above the non-smokers. I still think that establishments should be allowed to decide for themselves whether to ban smoking or not, and not have a blanket ban imposed by the government. Around 90% of the people I know (smokers and non-smokers alike) don't want smoking banned in pubs without defined restaurant areas.
I can't remember if I've posted this but a company I used to work for moved to a new building. The canteen was separated and the smoking area was a quarter of the size of the non-smoking area. The result was that us smokers could never find a place to sit due to all the non-smokers sat eating lunch with their smoker friends leaving the non-smoking side empty, yet when us smokers requested the partition wall to be moved so the area was split 50/50 we were outvoted by the non-smokers...
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| Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:57 pm |
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I agree with you that smoking in bars/pubs should not be banned...funny you should say that ...recently I was in a bar and they were considering banning smoking...Since this is a privately owned bar..As in it's an American Legion...some of us smokers were trying to figure out just how many people would still be in the bar if all the smokers were asked to smoke outside...LOL...We counted 3 people at a full bar that can hold up to 150 - 200 people...Also people said that they would not be coming to the bar if that rule was enforced...
On restaurants...I also agree. I like to eat in a smoke free environment but when the restaurant also includes a bar/pub...the designated smoking area is so small that it makes it hard for someone to even be seated, while the non-smoking section is empty...Also why is it that some restaurants aren't even partitioned off? They have a smoke free section and and smoking but you are sitting there and can look like 3 feet and there is a non smoker...LOL I think that is just ridiculous...
I also tell my children that smoking is really bad...and out of the 3 not one of them smoke...in fact they are against smoking...I refrain from smoking when a relative or friend is at my home and will go outside to smoke rather than fill the house with smoke...Those were all good points...El Bandito
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